A spanner in the works

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On further communication with Edward Poole today, he has found a letter from Angy who was married to a son of Elizabeth Jones (nee Scourfield). The only son that I do not have a marriage record for is James Melbourne Jones. This all fits with the information that Mary gave me in the phone call last week. Mary had said that Marion Grace Jones in the photographs was the daughter of Angy and her Uncle Melbourne. I had thought that Angy in actual fact should be Aggie but maybe it is Angy afterall. Edward also says that the letter indicates that Angy did not have any children. Very confusing just when I thought we were getting somewhere. Could the letter have been written before 1928 when Marion was born? Did James Melbourne Jones have more than one wife? The mystery continues.

Who lived in a house like this?

Posted in Family History on July 13th, 2009 by admin – Be the first to comment

A few weeks ago I wrote to the museum in Clare asking about this photograph:

Clare, Suffolk
Clare, Suffolk

I couldn’t quite decipher the handwriting and couldn’t find a good match on the internet. At the weekend, a lady from the museum wrote back and confirmed that:

“I can confirm that the photo you wanted identifing is of Lime Villa, 18 Callis Street, Clare which is still standing and the owner was most interested in your enquiry. It is a semi-detached house overlooking the greensward and facing up Callis Street towards the parish church in a south facing position. The back garden runs along the side of Bridewell Street to the north. It is the right hand house and was built on the site of part of the Old Vicarage which was pulled down in the 19th century with only the west end now remaining.”

I have found this additional information about the house:
“A house which was granted to the vicars of Clare in the 14c stood on the site of what is now 17-18 Callis Street. This house was demolished about 1910 to make way for two villas.”

Never overlook any clues

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I’ve been thinking these last few days about Marion Grace Jones, ever since Mary mentioned that she was her cousin and daughter of Mary’s “Uncle Melbourne”. This seemed to fit as I had found James Melbour Jones as being a brother of Mary’s father William Scourfield Jones. Surely these would be enough clues to put the jigsaw for this part of the family together and to put Marion Jones with the right part of the family in the photograph album.

Marion Grace Jones
Marion Grace Jones
Marion Grace Jones
Marion Grace Jones
Marion Grace Jones
Marion Grace Jones

Let’s see what records we can find, knowing that Marian Grace Jones was born on the 6th June 1928. Firstly, her death record:
– Marian Grace Jones died July/Aug/Sept 2004, Merton, Surrey

There are just a few possible birth entries for Marion:
– Marion Jones born April/May/June 1928, Pontypridd, Wales (mother Rogers)
– Marian Jones born April/May/June 1928, Holywell, Wales (mother Jones)
– Marian Jones born April/May/June 1928, Tynemouth (mother Crawford)

My money is on the Pontypridd record due to the subtleties in the spelling of her name. It is clearly spelt Marion on the back of the photographs even though her death entry seems to spell it as Marian.

I thought back to something that Edward Poole had mentioned during our recent correspondance about the Jones and Scourfield families. He mentioned that a Marion Jones had written to his mother telling her of the death of her mother Agnes Jones aged 94 and 10 months in June 1989 thefore making her born in August 1894. This seemed to fit as Mary had mentioned on the phone last week that Marion’s mother was “Angy”.
– Agnes Louise Jones died April/May/June 1989, Sutton, Surrey (born 14th August 1894)

Now let’s find James Melbourne Jones and see if we can find a marriage entry for him and Agnes.
– James Melbourne Jones born April/May/June 1880, Pembroke, Wales

This means that James would have been 48 when Marion was born and Agnes would have been 33. A marriage is likely to have occurred between 1910 and 1927.
– James Jones married Agnes Thomas Jan/Feb/March 1918, Llanelly, Wales
– James Jones married Agnes Davies July/Aug/Sept 1919, Bedwelty, Wales
– James Jones married Agnes Moran Oct/Nov/Dec 1922, Wirral
– James Jones married Agnes Simmons April/May/June 1924, Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire
– James Jones married Agnes Hill Jan/Feb/March 1926, Prescot, Lancashire

None of the locations or maiden names for Agnes seem to match any of the birth records for Marion/Marian Jones. There is a possibility that Agnes had a previous marriage and that her marriage to James uses her earlier married name as opposed to her maiden name.

Now I’m completely stuck. I can’t find James Jones on the 1911 census. Where to go from here?

A phone call from Suffolk!

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Last night I received a phone call from a nursing home in Suffolk. I was told that a lady called Mary would like to talk to me. At the time I had a house full of Mum and Dads to be so I arranged to call her back this morning.

When I called, I spoke to Mary. She had a stroke a few years ago and whilst it was difficult to understand her sometimes, she had lots of useful information about the Jones family and her life in Suffolk. She confirmed that her father was indeed one of the faces on the 1917 Wedding photograph taken at Flax farm. Four faces identified on this picture, four to go. Not bad considering that we didn’t know anyone just a few months ago.

Mary also said that the mystery Marian Jones was her cousin (daughter of her Uncle James Melbour Jones). This means that I can go and track down her birth record. Mary also said that Marian’s mother was “Angy”. Again I can go and track this down on the records.

I encouraged Mary to write down her memories in a letter so that she has more time to think about it. Mary also talked about her two sons, one who lives in Felixtowe and Victor the youngest who lives closer. I hope to hear from her again with more information.

Woolstone Farm Joneses

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Now that I have confirmed that Leah’s parents were actually James and Phoebe Jones, I can start to find out a little more about Leah’s parents and siblings as I’m sure some of the photos that I have relate to their families.

1891 Census, Woolstone Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JAMES HEAD MAR 62 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN MERTHYR BOTH
JONES, PHOEBE WIFE MAR 61 EMPLOYED CARMARTHEN LLANWINIO BOTH
JONES, JOHN SON SINGLE 28 FARMER’S SON EMPLOYED CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, JANE DAU SINGLE 24 FARMER’S DAUGHTER EMPLOYED CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, MIRIAM DAU SINGLE 22 FARMER’S DAUGHTER EMPLYED CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
WILLIAMS, THOMAS SERVANT MAR 29 FARM LABOURER EMPLOYED PEMBROKE FISHGUARD BOTH
DAVIES, BENJAMIN SERVANT SINGLE 19 FARM SERVANT EMPLOYED CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
TAYLOR, HARRY SERVANT SINGLE 16 FARM SERVANT LONDON PADDINGTON BOTH

1881 Census, Woolstone Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JAMES HEAD MAR 52 FARMER OF 200 ACRES CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, PHEBE WIFE MAR 51 FARMERS WIFE CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, HOWELL SON UNM 27 FARMERS SON CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, JOHN SON UNM 20 FARMERS SON CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, LEWIS SON UNM 19 FARMERS SON CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, MARY DAU UNM 16 FARMERS DAUGHTER CARMARTHENSHIRE
JONES, MIRIAM DAU UNM 13 FARMERS DAUGHTER CARMARTHENSHIRE
THOMAS, ANNE SERVANT UNM 24 GENERAL SERVANT CARMARTHENSHIRE
REYNOLDS, MARY SERVANT UNM 24 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC CARMARTHENSHIRE

1871 Census, Woolstone Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JAMES HEAD MAR 42 FARMER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, PHEOBE WIFE MAR 42 FARMER’S WIFE ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, WILLIAM SON UNM 20 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, ANNE DAUR UNM 19 FARMER’S DAUGHTER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, HOWELL SON UNM 17 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, THOMAS SON UNM 16 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, HENRY UNM 14 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, JOHN SON UNM 10 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, LEWIS SON UNM 9 FARMER’S SON ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, MARY DAUR UNM 7 FARMER’S DAUGHTER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, JANE DAUR UNM 5 FARMER’S DAUGHTER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, MIRIAM DAUR UNM 4 FARMER’S DAUGHTER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, ELIZABETH DAUR UNM 2 FARMER’S DAUGHTER ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
EVANS, HOWELL NEPHEW 14 SCHOLAR ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
HOWELL, DAVID BOARDER WIDOW 77 FAMILY TUTOR ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JONES, MARY SERVANT UNM 22 DOMESTIC SERVANT ENGLAND CARMARTHEN
JOHN, MARY SERVANT UNM 23 DOMESTIC SERVANT
MORRIS, CATHERINE SERVANT UNM 17 DOMESTIC SERVANT ENGLAND CARMARTHEN

Parents
James Jones, born 1829 Carmarthenshire, possibly died 1893
Pheobe Jones, born 1829 Carmarthenshire, possibly died 1896

Children
William Jones, born 1849-1852 Llanginning Carmarthenshire
Anne Jones, born 1852 Carmarthenshire
Howell Jones, born 1852-1854 Llangining Carmarthenshire
Thomas Jones, born 1855 Carmarthenshire
Henry Jones, born 1857 Carmarthenshire
Leah Jones, born 1859
John Jones, born 1861 Carmarthenshire
Lewis Jones, born Carmarthenshire
Mary Jones, born 1864 Carmarthenshire
Jane Jones, born 1866 Carmarthenshire
Miriam Jones, born 1867 Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth Jones, born 1869 Carmarthenshire

William Jones, born 1849-1852 Llanginning Carmarthenshire

We already know quite a bit about William from the earlier research on the wedding photograph.

1911 Census, Brynbank (formerly Bulley Green Farm), Poslingford, Suffolk
JONES, ELIZABETH HEAD WIDOW F 59 FARMER LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, WIILIAM SCONSFIELD SON SINGLE M 24 FARM MANAGER LAWRENCE PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, MARTHA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 31 LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, PHOEBE ANNE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 28 LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE

1901 Census, Duck End Farm, Birchanger, Essex

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 49 FARMER OWN ACCOUNT WALES CARMARTHEN
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 50 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, MARTHA DAUR SINGLE 23 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, PHEOBE A DAUR SINGLE 21 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, JAMES M SON SINGLE 19 FARMERS SON WORKER WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, WILLIAM S SON SINGLE 14 FARMERS SON WORKER WALES PEMBROKE

1891 Census, Big Pencoed, Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire, Wales

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 39 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN LLANGINNING ENGLISH/WELSH
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 41 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH/WELSH
JONES, MARTHA DAUR SINGLE 15 DRESSMAKER APPRENTICE EMPLOYED PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH
JONES, PHOEBE DAUR 13 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH
JONES, JAMES M J SON 10 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LAWRENNY ENGLISH
JONES, WILLIAM S SON 4 PEMBROKE LAWRENNY ENGLISH
DAVIES, JOHN SERVANT SINGLE 27 AGRICULTURAL LABOURER EMPLOYED PEMBROKE MURTONS ENGLISH
SMITH, JOHN SERVANT SINGLE 16 AGRICULTURAL LABOURER EMPLOYED AMERICA ENGLISH

1881 Census, Big Pencoed, Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire, Wales

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 32 FARMER 157 ACRES EMPLOYING 26 CARMARTHEN LLANGINNING
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 32 FARMERS WIFE PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, MARTHA DAUR 5 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, PHEBE ANN DAUR 3 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, JAMES MELBOUR SON 11 MONTHS PEMBROKE LAWRENNY
GRIFFITHS, RACHAL SERVANT UNM 17 GENERAL SERVANT PEMBROKE MARTLETWY
THOMAS, ELIZABETH SERVANT UNM 14 NURSE DOM PEMBROKE CAREW
THOMAS, WILLIAM SERVANT UNM 21 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JAMES, HENRY SERVANT UNM 19 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE JEFRESTON
JAMES, THOMAS SERVANT UNM 15 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE BEGELLY

In the 1871 census, William Jones is at home with his parents and siblings living at Woolstone Farm, St Clears. The 1861 census for St Clears is missing. I suspect that William could have been born after the 1851 census as I cannot find the family on that return.

William must have died between 1901 and 1911 as he disappears from the census returns.

Anne Jones, born 1852 Carmarthenshire

In the 1871 census, Anne Jones is at home with her parents and siblings living at Woolstone Farm, St Clears.
It is difficult to pin down a marriage for Anne Jones but possibilities include William Evans and David Davies.

Howell Jones, born 1852-1854 Llangining Carmarthenshire

1911 Census, Great Newton, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, HOWELL HEAD MAR 55 FARMER CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANGINING BOTH
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 54 CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE BOTH

* MARRIED 25 YEARS, 4 CHILDREN, 4 STILL LIVING *
JONES, LEWIS G SON 24 SINGLE FARMER’S SON WORKING ON FARM WORKER PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, JAMES C SON 22 SINGLE FARMER’S SON WORKING ON FARM WORKER PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, JOHN SON 20 SINGLE FARMER’S SON WORKING ON FARM WORKER PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, PHEOBE A DAU 18 SINGLE DAIRY WORK WORKER PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
ISAAC, LOUISA SERVANT 35 SINGLE GENERAL SERVANT WORKER CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANDOWRER BOTH

1901 Census, Great Milton, Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, HOWELL HEAD MAR 49 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANGINING BOTH
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 46 CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE BOTH
JONES, LEWIS G SON 14 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, JAMES C SON 12 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, WILLIAM J SON 10 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JONES, PHEBOE A DAU 8 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON BOTH
JENKINS, MARY SERVANT SINGLE 22 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC CARMARTHENSHIRE TRELECH
WILLIAMS, JOSEPH SERVANT SINGLE 27 TEAMSTER ON FARM WORKER CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE
EVANS, HENRY VISITOR SINGLE 27 CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE

1891 Census, Newton, Rudbaxton, Pembrokeshire, Wales

JONES, HOWELL HEAD MAR 37 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHENSHIRE ST CLEARS
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 30 CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE
JONES, GWYLIUN SON 4 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON
JONES, JAMES SON 3 PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON
JONES, JOHN SON 8 MONTHS PEMBROKESHIRE RUDBAXTON
RICHARDS, MARTHA SERVANT 30 SERVANT (DOMESTIC) PEMBROKESHIRE SPITTAL
DAVIS, MARY SERVANT SERVANT (DOMESTIC) PEMBROKESHIRE TUFTON

Howell married Elizabeth Evans in Oct/Nov/Dec 1885.

In the 1871 and 1881 census, Howell Jones is at home with his parents and siblings living at Woolstone Farm, St Clears.

It looks at though Howell may have died in April/May/June 1921.

Thomas Jones, born 1855 Carmarthenshire

Henry Jones, born 1857 Carmarthenshire

1901 Census, Talog House, Halfway, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, HENRY HEAD MAR 44 TAILOR OWN ACCOUNT AT HOME CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, ESTHER WIFE MAR 43 CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, THOMAS SON SINGLE 19 TAILOR SON (ASSISTANT) WORKER CARMARTHEN LLANELLY BOTH
JONES, JAMES SON SINGLE 17 CARPENTERS ASSISTANT WORKER CARMARTHEN LLANELLY BOTH
JONES, LODWIG SON SINGLE 14 GROCER’S APPRENTICE WORKER CARMARTHEN LLANELLY BOTH
JONES, SARAH DAUR SINGLE 12 CARMARTHEN LLANELLY BOTH
JONES, WILLIAM J SON SINGLE 9 CARMARTHEN LLANELLY BOTH

1881 Census, 127 High Street, Merthyr Tydfill, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JEREMY, RICHARD THOMAS HEAD MAR 40 LINEN DRAPER CARMARTHENSHIRE ABERGWILLY
JEREMY, MAGGIE WIFE MAR 30 DRAPER’S WIFE PEMBROKE ST ISSELS
JEREMY, ANNIE E M DAUR SINGLE 7 DRAPER’S DAUGHTER GLAMORGAN MERTHYR
JEREMY, WILLIAM F E R SON SINGLE 5 DRAPER’S SON GLAMORGAN MERTHYR
JEREMY, DIGBY E G SON SINGLE 3 MONTHS DRAPER’S SON GLAMORGAN MERTHYR
JONES, HENRY ASSISTANT UNM 16 DRAPER’S ASSISTANT CARMARTHENSHIRE ST CLEARS
HAYES, DAVID ASSISTANT UNM 14 DRAPER’S ASSISTANT GLAMORGANSHIRE MERTHYR
DIXON, MARY ANNE SERVANT UNM 19 DOMESTIC SERVANT GLAMORGANSHIRE MERTHYR

Leah Jones, born 1859

John Jones, born 1861 Carmarthenshire

1911 Census, Woolstone Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JOHN HEAD MAR 49 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, ANNE WIFE MAR 49 CARMARTHEN CASTLEDWYRAN BOTH

* MARRIED 14 YEARS, NO CHILDREN
HUSBAND, DAVID SERVANT SINGLE 17 WAGONER ON FARM WORKER CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
GRIFFITHS, WILLIAM SERVANT SINGLE 16 ERRAND BOY WORKER CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
HOWELLS, MARY SERVANT SINGLE 18 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC GLAMORGAN YNYS YBWL BOTH
WILLIAMS, EDITH MAY SINGLE 16 GLAMORGAN MARDY BOTH

1901 Census, Woolstone Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JOHN HEAD MAR 39 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
JONES, ANNE WIFE MAR 39 CARMARTHEN CASTLEDWYRAN BOTH

Lewis Jones, born Carmarthenshire

Mary Jones, born 1864 Carmarthenshire

Jane Jones, born 1866 Carmarthenshire

1911 Census, Glasfryn Villa, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JANE HEAD SINGLE 43 MILLINER AND GENERAL SHOPKEEPER OWN ACCOUNT CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH

1901 Census, Woolstone House, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Carmarthenshire, Wales

JONES, JANE HEAD SINGLE 32 CLOTHIER DEALER & GROCER OWN ACCOUNT AT HOME CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH

1911 Census, 34 Head Room Gate Road, St-Annes-On-the-Sea, Lancashire

YEARSLEY, WALTER HEAD MARRIED 8 M 35 SPEECH SPECIALIST WARLEY ESSEX
YEARSLEY, ALICE WIFE MARRIED 8 F 32 BENTHAM YORKSHIRE
ROBINSON, CHARLES VISITOR SINGLE M 18 FARMERS SON WORKING ON FARM DOWNHAM LANCASHIRE
MANN, STANLEY VISITOR SINGLE M 15 PONTEFRACT
WILLIAMS, PERCY VISITOR SINGLE M 15 BUTCHERS SON WORKING ON SHOP PONTYPRIDD
BARRETT, ALFRED VISITOR SINGLE M 18 RAILWAY GOODS OFFICE CROSBY
JONES, IRA VISITOR SINGLE F 15 ST CLEARS S WALES
ROWSE, BEATRICE SINGLE F 24 SERVANT MILLOM CUMBERLAND

1901 Census, Bronyyar, Mydrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales

HOWELL, JOHN HEAD MAR 60 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
HOWELL, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 52 CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
HOWELL, HETTIE DAUR SINGLE 21 FARMER’S DAUGHTER WORKER CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
HOWELL, SOPHIA DAUR SINGLE 17 FARMER’S DAUGHTER WORKER CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
JONES, JAMES IRA NEPHEW SINGLE 5 CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS WELSH
EVANS, FREDERICK SERVANT SINGLE 19 COWMAN ON FARM WORKER CARMARTHEN LLANFIHANGEL BOTH
WALTERS, PHILLIP SERVANT SINGLE 19 CARTER ON FARM WORKER CARMARTHEN LLANFIHANGEL BOTH
DAVIES, ELIZA SERVANT SINGLE 17 GENERAL SERVANT (DOM) WORKER CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH

1881 Census, Laugharne School, Market Street, Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Wales

ROGERS, SARAH HEAD SINGLE 40 TEACHER (SCHOOL) CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE
ROGERS, ESTHER SISTER SINGLE 41 HOUSE KEEPERS CARMARTHENSHIRE LAUGHARNE
WILLIAMS, PHOEBE BOARDER SINGLE 16 SCHOLAR PEMBROKESHIRE S HANDY EGREMONT
LEWIS, WINIFRED BOARDER SINGLE 15 SCHOLAR GLAMORGANSHIRE SWANSEA
CHILES, MARY A BOARDER SINGLE 15 PEMBROKESHIRE TENBY
THOMAS, ANNA BOARDER SINGLE 14 SCHOLAR CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANWINIO
JONES, JANE BOARDER SINGLE 14 CARMARTHENSHIRE ST CLEARS
JONES, HANNAH BOARDER SINGLE 13 CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANSTEPHAN
LEWIS, EVELINE D V BOARDER SINGLE 11 SCHOLAR CARMARTHENSHIRE TOWN
LEWIS, MARY B BOARDER SINGLE 10 PEMBROKESHIRE NARBETH
JENKINS, MARY SERVANT SINGLE 25 GEN SERVANT DOMESTIC CARMARTHENSHIRE LLANBOIDY

Miriam Jones, born 1867 Carmarthenshire

1911 Census, Crown House, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

PHILLIPS, JOTHAM HEAD MAR 43 DEALER (CATTLE) CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
PHLLIPS, MIRIAM WIFE MAR 42 CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
* MARRIED 14 YEARS, 2 CHILDREN, 2 STILL LIVING
PHILLIPS, AGNES DAU 13 AT SCHOOL CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
PHILLIPS, IDA DAU 6 AT SCHOOL CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH

1901 Census, Penbrae Farm, St Clears, Carmarthenshire, Wales

PHILLIPS, JOTHAM HEAD MAR 33 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN MYDRIM BOTH
PHLLIPS, MIRIAM WIFE MAR 33 CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH
PHILLIPS, PHOEBE DAU 3 CARMARTHEN ST CLEARS BOTH

Elizabeth Jones, born 1869 Carmarthenshire

Bride’s Siblings

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Now to find the siblings of Phoebe Jones:

William Scowsfield/Sconsfield Jones born 1887 Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire
Martha Jones 1876-1880 Llandewy Velfry, Pembrokeshire
Phoebe/Pheobe/Phebe Ann/Anne/Annie Jones born 1878-1888 – Llandewy velfry, Pembrokeshire
James Melbourne J Jones 1880-1882, missing from 1911 census

William Scowsfield/Sconsfield Jones born 1887 Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire
Born April/May/June 1887
Married April/May/June 1917 to Minnie J Tuffin in the Risbridge district of Suffolk
I can find a Minnie Jessie Tuffin born within the Risbridge district during 1885. From the 1901 census it looks as though the Tuffin family were living at New House Farm in Poslingford. Her parents were Frederick and Emma originating from Sudbury and her siblings were Willie and Marian. All of the Tuffin children are shown as being born in Haverhill.
Phoebe’s marriage also took place in 1917 (October)
I can find the following children born to William and Minnie within the Risbridge district:
Frederick Jones Oct/Nov/Dec 1921
William Jones Oct/Nov/Dec 1921
Mary Jones July/Aug/Sep 1923
Jessie Jones July/Aug/Sep 1927
Henry Jones Jan/Feb/Mar 1929
(Female) Jones Jan/Feb/Mar 1929 Deaths (Female) Jones Jan/Feb/March 1929
Elizabeth Jones Jan/Feb/Mar 1931

Martha Jones 1876-1880 Llandewy Velfry, Pembrokeshire
Unable to find any additional information currently.

Phoebe/Pheobe/Phebe Ann/Anne/Annie Jones born 1878-1888 – Llandewy velfry, Pembrokeshire
Married George Williams at Poslingford in October 1917.
Phoebe and George had a son William G S Jones born in April/May/June 1918. Sadly he died shortly after birth.
George Williams senior died 0n 21st June 1929 at the age of 67. There is a photograph of his grave at Stansfield amongst my Great Aunts photograph collection. It states that George was from Flax Farm, Poslingford. I assume that it could be Phoebe standing beside the grave.

Williams Grave Stansfield
Williams Grave Stansfield

James Melbourne J Jones 1880-1882, missing from 1911 census
Born April/May/June 1880
Possibility that he emigrated to Australia as I can find a James Melbourne Jones on the Australian Electoral Roll in 1919 and 1924.

Scourefield Success

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I typed David Rowland Scourefield (one of the witnesses and the George Williams and Phoebe Jones marriage) into the search engine on a genealogy search engine. To my amazement, not only was he listed but there were also a couple of photographs posted by one of his relatives as well as a family tree which confirms that David Rowland Scourefield was a son of Nathaniel Scourefield and therefore a cousin of the bride Phoebe Jones (her mother Elizabeth being Nathaniel’s sister). Hoorah – I also think he is one of the faces on the photograph. He was born in the 1890s so I think there is only one candidate on the photograph that fits the bill. I have contacted the person that posted the photographs and can’t wait to hear back.

Hopefully 3 faces down, 5 to go! No bad for a photo we knew nothing about just a few weeks ago.

Some faces have names

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After a few weeks of researching I do believe that some of the faces in my 1917 Flax Farm Wedding photograph now have names.

Wedding at Flax Farm Poslingford 1917

I am sure with a fair degree of certainty that this is the wedding of George Williams and Phoebe Annie Jones. After ordering their marriage certificate, all of the details check out. The date is correct, the location is correct and the names written on the back of the photograph match up. The next step was to find out how they are connected to my known family. I felt sure that the connection must be through Phoebe Annie Jones as my Great Great Grandmother was Leah Jones. However, Suffolk is a long way from South Wales where the Jones family are known to have originated.

After much head scratching and careful scanning of records I am sure that Phoebe Annie Jones was in fact a niece of my Leah Jones, being the daughter of Leah’s brother William Jones. By the time of the 1917 wedding, both George and Phoebe’s fathers were already deceased so there are additional people in the photograph to name. There are three witnesses listed at the wedding: William Scowsfield Jones, David Rowland Scowsfield and Margaret Jenkins. I would assume that some, if not all, of these witnesses are on the wedding photograph. William Scowsfield Jones was a brother of Phoebe Annie Jones and David Rowland Scowsfield must be connected through Phoebe’s mother as her maiden name was Scowsfield

1911 Census, Brynbank (late Bulley Green Farm), Poslingford, Clare, Suffolk

JONES, ELIZABETH HEAD WIDOW F 59 FARMER LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, WIILIAM SCONSFIELD SON SINGLE M 24 FARM MANAGER LAWRENCE PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, MARTHA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 31 LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE
JONES, PHOEBE ANNE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 28 LLANDENNY VELFRY PEMBROKESHIRE

1901 Census, Duck End Farm, Birchanger, Essex

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 49 FARMER OWN ACCOUNT WALES CARMARTHEN
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 50 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, MARTHA DAUR SINGLE 23 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, PHEOBE A DAUR SINGLE 21 WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, JAMES M SON SINGLE 19 FARMERS SON WORKER WALES PEMBROKE
JONES, WILLIAM S SON SINGLE 14 FARMERS SON WORKER WALES PEMBROKE

1891 Census, Big Pencoed, Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire, Wales

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 39 FARMER EMPLOYER CARMARTHEN LLANGINNING ENGLISH/WELSH
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 41 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH/WELSH
JONES, MARTHA DAUR SINGLE 15 DRESSMAKER APPRENTICE EMPLOYED PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH
JONES, PHOEBE DAUR 13 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY ENGLISH
JONES, JAMES M J SON 10 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LAWRENNY ENGLISH
JONES, WILLIAM S SON 4 PEMBROKE LAWRENNY ENGLISH
DAVIES, JOHN SERVANT SINGLE 27 AGRICULTURAL LABOURER EMPLOYED PEMBROKE MURTONS ENGLISH
SMITH, JOHN SERVANT SINGLE 16 AGRICULTURAL LABOURER EMPLOYED AMERICA ENGLISH

1881 Census, Big Pencoed, Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire, Wales

JONES, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 32 FARMER 157 ACRES EMPLOYING 26 CARMARTHEN LLANGINNING
JONES, ELIZABETH WIFE MAR 32 FARMERS WIFE PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, MARTHA DAUR 5 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, PHEBE ANN DAUR 3 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JONES, JAMES MELBOUR SON 11 MONTHS PEMBROKE LAWRENNY
GRIFFITHS, RACHAL SERVANT UNM 17 GENERAL SERVANT PEMBROKE MARTLETWY
THOMAS, ELIZABETH SERVANT UNM 14 NURSE DOM PEMBROKE CAREW
THOMAS, WILLIAM SERVANT UNM 21 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFRY
JAMES, HENRY SERVANT UNM 19 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE JEFRESTON
JAMES, THOMAS SERVANT UNM 15 FARM SERVANT INDOOR PEMBROKE BEGELLY

In the 1871 census, William Jones is at home with his parents and many siblings living at Woolstone Farm, St Clears.

My next challenge was to try and research more about this branch of the family in order to put more names on the faces of the photograph, given these facts:

Parents
Elizabeth Scowsfield/Sconsfield, born 1849-1852 – Llandewy Velfry, Pembrokeshire
William Jones born 1849-1852 – Llanginning, Carmarthenshire, died before 1911

Children
William Scowsfield/Sconsfield Jones born 1887 Lawrenny, Pembrokeshire
Martha Jones 1876-1880 Llandewy Velfry, Pembrokeshire
Phoebe/Pheobe/Phebe Ann/Anne/Annie Jones born 1878-1888 – Llandewy velfry, Pembrokeshire
James Melbourne J Jones 1880-1882, missing from 1911 census

Now, let’s see if I can find births, marriages and deaths for these folks.

Elizabeth Scourfield – there are two births recorded for Jan/Feb/March 1849 and Jan/Feb/March 1850. I have found her on the 1871, 1861 AND 1851 censuses living in Llandewi Velfrey with her parents William and Martha. I also found Elizabeth’s parents on the 1841 census.

1871 Census, Bryhavod, Llandewy Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales

SCOURFIELD, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 57 LANDOWNER PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, MARTHA WIFE MAR 52 LANDOWNERS WIFE PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, NATHANIEL SON UNM 18 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, ELIZABETH DAU UNM 21 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, MARGRET SERVANT UNM 27 FARM SERVANT CARMARTHEN HENLLAN AMGOED
EVAN, PHILLIP SERVANT UNM 19 FARM SERVANT PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
THOMAS, BENJAMIN SERVANT UNM 16 FARM SERVANT PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY

1861 Census, Bryhafod, Llandewy Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales

SCOURFIELD, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 48 FARMER 120 ACRES PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, MARTHA WIFE MAR 42 LANDOWNERS WIFE PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, JANE DAU UNM 17 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, ELIZABETH DAU 11 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, NATHANIEL SON 9 SCHOLAR PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
REYNOLD, ANNE SERVANT UNM 23 DAIRY MAID CARMARTHEN LLANWINIO
JOHN, MARGERET SERVANT UNM 17 HOUSE MAID CARMARTHEN LANFALTEG
EINON, JOHN SERVANT UNM 17 CARTER PEMBROKE LANDISSILO
WILLIAMS, JOHN SERVANT UNM 12 CARTER PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY

1851 Census, Bryhafod, Llandewy Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales

SCOURFIELD, WILLIAM HEAD MAR 38 FARMER 90 ACRES EMPLOYING 2 LABOURERS PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, MARTHA WIFE MAR 33 PEMBROKE LAMPETER
SCOURFIELD, ROBERT SON 12 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, JAMES SON 9 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, JANE DAU 7 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, RICHARD SON 4 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
SCOURFIELD, ELIZABETH DAU 2 LLANDEWY VELFREY
DAVID, MARY SERVANT UNM 22 HOUSE SERV PEMBROKE, LAMPETER
WILLIAM, MARY SERVANT UNM 15 PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY
MATTHEWS, THOMAS SERVANT UNM 20 FARM LABOURER PEMBROKE, LAMPETER
REYNOLD, ANNE SERVANT UNM 23 DAIRY MAID CARMARTHEN LLANWINIO
JOHN, MARGERET SERVANT UNM 17 HOUSE MAID CARMARTHEN LANFALTEG
EINON, JOHN SERVANT UNM 17 CARTER PEMBROKE LANDISSILO
WILLIAMS, JOHN SERVANT UNM 12 CARTER PEMBROKE LLANDEWY VELFREY

1841 Census, Bryhafod, Llandewy Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales

SCOURF, WILLIAM 25 FARMER
SCOURF, MARTH 20
SCOURF, ROBERT 2
GRIFFITH, DAVID 15 AGR SAT
THOMAS, MARGRET 15 AGR SAT

William Jones and Elizabeth Scourfield were married within the Narbeth district during Jan/Feb/March 1875. I believe that Elizabeth died as Elizabeth Jones in 1913 in the Risbridge district. Her death occurred before the 1917 marriage and so she would not be one of the faces on the photograph. William’s death is proving harder to track down as there are many possibilities.

Whilst I’m on the Scourfield/Scowsfield scent maybe I can find this David Rowland Scowsfield who is one of the witnesses at the wedding. He does not appear to be one of the brides mothers siblings as I had first imagined.

Slowly catching up with the Joneses

Posted in Family History on May 11th, 2009 by admin – Be the first to comment

I ordered the birth certificate for Leah Jones and David William David married in 1883 and sure enough, Leah’s father is shown as James Jones (a farmer).

This all seems straightforward and I had assumed that the three Jones sisters we visited in Wales had made an error with the names of their Great Grandparents. Simply that they should be James and Phoebe Jones rather that John and Mary Jones. This seemed fine until I read through the notes written by my Great Aunt Dorothy. She also wrote that her Great Grandparents were John and Mary Jones. How could two sets of people who did not know each other come up with the same incorrect name for their Grandparents? The only additional clue that Dorothy gives is that Mary’s maiden name was Howell. Let’s see if that turns out to be true.

Given that Leah is confirmed as a child of James and Phoebe Jones, that means that they had at least 14 children. One died a few days after birth and another died at 4 years old.

The 1861 census for St Clears is missing but I should be able to track the family down on other census returns.

12 Children and counting!

Posted in Family History on May 5th, 2009 by admin – Be the first to comment

Someone kindly did a look up on the 1871 census for James and Phoebe Jones who I suspect are possibly the parents of Leah Jones:

JONES, James Head M 42 1829 Farmer Carmarthenshire
JONES, Pheobe Wife F 42 1829 Carmarthenshire
JONES, William Son M 20 1851 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Anne Daughter F 19 1852 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Howell Son M 17 1854 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Thomas Son M 16 1855 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Henry Son M 14 1857 Carmarthenshire
JONES, John Son M 10 1861 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Lewis Son M 9 1862 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Mary Daughter F 7 1864 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Jane Daughter F 5 1866 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Miriam Daughter F 4 1867 Carmarthenshire
JONES, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1869 Carmarthenshire
EVANS, Howell Nephew M 14 1857 Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, David Boarder M 77 1794 Family Tutor Carmarthenshire
JONES, Mary Servant F 22 1849 domestic servant Carmarthenshire
JOHN, Mary Servant F 23 1848 domestic servant Carmarthenshire
MORRIS, Catherine Servant F 17 1854 domestic servant Carmarthenshire

Address:
Woolstone, St Clear County: Carmarthenshire

If Leah is also their daughter, this means they had at least 12 children! We were told by the three sisters that we visited in Wales over 20 years ago that there were 5 – Leah, Howell, John, Jane and Miriam. In the 1871 census, Leah is shown as living close by but with her Uncle. She is aged 12 at this point so there does appear to be a slot for her in the list of children above. Interestingly, they also have a nephew, Howell Evans with them as well as a 75 year old tutor. I am sure this is the right family for Leah Jones as not only is the address correct but also her nephew Ira Jones (son of Jane) was born at Woolstone in 1896.